Children bed

Published on July 24th, 2012 | by Jules IKEAHacker

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Bed in the air!





SAFETY WARNING: This hack is not proven to be safe. Do not attempt to replicate this unless you have a professional to ensure that it is structurally sound and safe for a child’s use. ~ Jules

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Materials: Kura bed – Sniglar changing table

Description: During last year’s house renovation, we created a new room for our son. The problem we faced was that his IKEA Kura bed could not fit inside the new room. So I decided to modify the Kura bed.

The modification involved three stages:
Firstly the bed had to be raised high enough so that the door of the bedroom could open without issues.

Secondly the bed had to be shortened by 8cm in length so it could fit near the wardrobe. And finally the bed had to be made safer because of the new height.

For the first step I started by dismantling the bed from the old bedroom. Then I went to a local shop and bought 2 new wooden legs in order to provide to the bed the required height. Two of the old wooden legs of the bedroom were put together and formed the third led. Since I did not wanted the fourth leg to be in the middle of the bedroom I decided to hang the fourth corner of the bed by the ceiling. I used heavy duty chain, which was attached to the bed by three screws and from the ceiling by two heavy duty metal hooks.

The second step was performed in parallel with the first. As I said the bed had to be shortened by 8cm. In order to do that I used and electric saw to cut the wood and an electric drill in order to make the new holes for the existing screws that were originally used in the bed.

The last step was to attach a safety banister. For that part I used an old IKEA Sniglar changing table which was not useful anymore. Using parts from the changing table I constructed the safety banister which was attached to the bed as shown in the photos.

The final thing to do was the attachment of a new ladder in order to make climbing and descending easier.

All legs of the bed were secured firmly in the walls. It is impossible to move the bed at all.

For this project I have spent about 8 hours. The tricky part was to be able to lift the bed since I was did all the work by myself. The solution was to assemble each side of the bed separately and then attach all sides together.

This solution provided extra playing space for my son in his bedroom. He enjoys his new room and his modified bed for more than a year now. Friends and family have been impressed by the result, especially the younger children.

~ Ioannis, Athens, Greece

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91 Responses to Bed in the air!

  1. Anonymous says:

    Holy clusterf*ck.

  2. eilidh says:

    That’s a hell of a lot of work! Αλλά άξιζε τον κόπο. :)

  3. Anonymous says:

    Good Job Ioanni, the ladder needs some work (handles) to be extra safe i think, but overall looks like a kids dream!

  4. Frankly I wouldn’t want to touch such a bed. Doesn’t look safe to me at all.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Someone call social services immediately!

    • Anonymous says:

      Oh shut it. Social services has more important cases to attend to such as abuse and starvation issues. They shouldn’t waste their time on what you consider to be unsafe furniture. Do you know how old the kid is? DIdn’t think so. Even better do YOU have any kids? Seriously folks. If you can’t say something nice, shut your trap. Don’t be a troll. **shrugs off trollish mantle for the day**

  6. Anonymous says:

    I don’t really think adding a safety banister even matters when the whole bed is that hazardous.

  7. seancomp says:

    Exchange the screws for bolts and you’re getting better. This design is a pain trap

  8. Anonymous says:

    So many questions!

    So many facepalms!!

    WOW!!

  9. Anonymous says:

    my biggest concern is safety… how much weight can it take??? if it can hold it is a really good idea

  10. Anonymous says:

    Are you retarded? MODS please remove this before some other half wit thinks its a good idea.

    • Anonymous says:

      Watch your language! Seems to me your naming only yourself in that rant….

    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t fool yourself. When you see something that’s obviously dangerous YOU SPEAK UP! To not do so would be absolutely retarded.

    • Anonymous says:

      The only one coming off as *R* is you, as you seem to be lacking vocabulary beyond elementary school age.

    • Anonymous says:

      Do you have anything intelligent to say about the post here, or are you just whistlin’ Dixie?

    • Anonymous says:

      Speak up all you want, but there is never any need for slurs. In fact they do nothing but distract from the message.
      If you want proof of this, just look at this thread…

      Terry

    • Infamous says:

      This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

  11. Persiko says:

    Is it a joke?? tooo dangerous!!!

  12. Anonymous says:

    All depends on how well it’s constructed and the age and temperament of the kid. It’s obviously not for every child out there. This particular kid loves it and has been using the bed without incidence for over a year, so everyone, calm down.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve never read a safety warning about a product being safe as long as the temperament of the child was kept in check.

  13. Anonymous says:

    nice idea but will not last….as someone who lived in a small apartment with a loft bed for 2 1/2 years(1 of those years i was pregnant with my daughter) i know that the loft needs to be attached to the WALL, not held up by some planks of wood and a chain in the ceiling!!
    redo this by making a solid frame attached to the wall and use wood instead of a chain to attach it to the ceiling!

    like the person said it has worked for a year, but im sure the little boy doesnt weight that much, and 1 years worth of strain on the wood holding it up isnt much, but when he gets older the wood is gonna start to split and its going to be dangerous…wood THAT thin and long is not ment to hold that much weight for a long period of time

    • Anonymous says:

      We have no use for your knowledge and wisdom here. Please stop making sense. The child likes it therefore it is safe.

    • Anonymous says:

      it doesn´t need to be attached to the wall, I had a loft bed too from ikea and after almost 9 years is still firm ;)

    • Anonymous says:

      if you buy a loft bed from ikea, i mean a kind that was MENT to be a loft,thats fine…but when you hack a bed and turn it into a loft that looks like that,that is so high up and slightly attached to the way,one that is not properly made,its dangerous…whats the point of the chain?! thats not gonna do anything!

  14. Anonymous says:

    I can’t remember the name of that 90s artist, but God…it’s 2012. Hideous.

    • Anonymous says:

      It was Keith Haring, and it was the 80′s and not the 90′s, and the guy was a massive sensation (and still is even posthumously). Also, what’s wrong with old art? Do you hate Renoir too ’cause he painted in the 1870′s which is obviously in the past?

      Forget the art, focus on the obviousl deathtrap-ness of this “hack”.

    • Anonymous says:

      Keith Haring was a much bigger hack than this one.

    • Anonymous says:

      And, yes…I hate Renoir because he painted in the past. In fact, last time I was at the Louvre, I kept yelling, “WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!?!?!? YOU’RE LIVING IN THE PAST, MAAAAAN!!!”

  15. majeral says:

    MY question is why so many of you choose to remain anonymous? With all your negative responses? The child must love it, safe? well as long as he is not to big/heavy and NO friends up there but him. There are legs on the floor along with the chain.

    • Anonymous says:

      Majeral – how come when I click on your profile name above I get the following message: “The Blogger Profile you requested cannot be displayed. Many Blogger users have not yet elected to publicly share their Profile.”

      What are you afraid of? Why do you choose to remain anonymous?

      Your logic is absurd of course – “The child must LOVE it”. Who cares if the child LOVES it? My young children would LOVE to drive the family car, but we don’t let them. They’d LOVE play with sharp knives…

  16. Mari says:

    I’m just here for the statements from anonymous Americans who find every IKEA hack for children unsafe.
    It looks interesting. I gather the chain (which could be covered so it isn’t as ugly) is like those chains that hold boxing bags. So I gather it is safe enough for a non-ADHD kid.

    • Anonymous says:

      As an anonymous American I ask you to show me an ikeahack for children that’s this unsafe. Two questions:

      1. How much of an expert are you on construction, building materials, load-bearing, etc.
      2. And if you’re not an expert, would you let your kid use this?

  17. Anonymous says:

    Mari,
    This came up on another hack, and the people with concerns were clearly not Americans. Can I have your nationality so I can say bad things about a whole country rather than address real issues?

    I would be more concerned about the eyescrew that is holding all this up. That and the quality of the unseen wood it depends on.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Dang, did someone sneak nasty pills into everyone’s water? Even if your objections and concerns are legit, cut the snark! Constructive critism can and should be presented in a civil manner.

    • Anonymous says:

      BS. The person who’s putting their kid in this potentially extremely dangerous situation should feel bad about themselves.

      They put it on the internet, they knew what they were in for. Check the stats on how many kids are killed every year from products and devices that seem completely innocuous.

    • Anonymous says:

      Above Anonymous I hope you never have children as I believe you and your attitude would bring up a child who would be constantly in extremely dangerous situations because of their MOUTH! The sad part is how quick you and other people are to blame products instead of parental guidance and attendence. (example – in Canada the wheeled exersaucers were banned due to the amounts of accidents that occurred. But maybe if mom or dad was actually paying attention to their child it wouldn’t of happened. Who seriously thought they could put a kid in one of them near a flight of stairs – so we blame the product instead of the dumb human who used it). Currently Tide is being blamed for kids thinking the laundry pods are candy – here is a brilliant idea, store them where your child can’t get at them and teach them that we don’t eat laundry pods!!!
      I am fairly certain that the person that made this has enough knowledge to make sure that is structurally sound. And would continually check, more so now that buttholes like us are crawling out of our holes to ream them a new one. Perhaps we could offer constructive criticism but that just wouldn’t be as fun or fulfill all our needs to be sarcastic, sassy jerks now would it.

  19. bonincontrus says:

    I notice the support boards actually holing the bed up seem to be quite thin, and in the photo looking under with the ladder to the left, I see that it is not even a solid length, but two pieces held together with a metal plate with a third piece of wood on the side.

    In theory I can see where that would be a good idea, but in practice anytime you drill into wood you are weakening the overall structure. This does look dangerous, if the child is small and young enough for this not to be hazardous then he is too young to have to climb a metal ladder secured with bungee cords and tape as shown in the picture.

    • Anonymous says:

      Thank you for stating facts and common sense, although I fear they will fall on deaf-ears as their seem to be quite a few people here who think that if it looks cool it must therefore be safe. Also, if the child loves it, it’s also safe. Insane logic.

    • Anonymous says:

      Seriously has a house not fallen on you yet Anonymous 1?

  20. Anonymous says:

    Please leave the door open. That way it will have something to land on and slow the fall.

  21. NightSprite says:

    OK, Looking at this from a carpenter’s view point, the support legs look scarily too thin and also offcuts were used. The securing chain I can only hope was fixed to the rafters. But even if it was, I’d double bolt it to the bed frame using two lengths of chain that both reach the bed. Redundancy is somewhat important.

    Also, I’d have major fears should you need to call out paramedics! And just how much head room is up there!!!

    But hey ho, if the kid likes it…..

  22. Anonymous says:

    Even if the bed should hold…what if the child needs to “go” at night, gets sick during the night, etc. etc.

  23. Anonymous says:

    I like the idea of this hack but my first thought was that the wires for lighting under the bed are the real danger. The electrical current runs through them so if the kid touched them then he/she can get electricuted. My 2 cents.

  24. Anonymous says:

    They’re 12 Volts, you can touch them all you want. BUT:
    The Halogen bulbs on the other hand get incredibly hot. kid could easily getting burnt, but worse, bedding in contact for too long: fire!

  25. Anonymous says:

    I second, third, 40th the concerns of many others about the safety. I am baffled as to how a parent could go through all that trouble and expense to build a new room for a child and not make the room large enough to something as small as the Kura bed. Even if that took most of the room, it’s got to at least fit that to count as a room and not a closet.

  26. ExTrEmE79 says:

    Nice nice idea, but the way you do it is so so so UNSAFE ! Be careful!
    A lot of weight suspended with a big chain, but fixed on a little screw inside a soft and thin piece of wood. Not good for me.

    You need a Leg for that corner, absolutely. Probably the fixing on the ceiling can fight against the weight, but I don’t know if the ceiling can do it.
    Follow my suggest. Put a leg and you will sleep a lot better.

    - Build a leg (unique piece of wood, not two unsafely joined pieces.
    - Put two big steel “L” shaped pieces at the height you want to have the bed, and fix it with 3 fisher for each side (3 on the shortest, 3 or 4 on the longer). Than put the bed on and fix it to the L shaped steel pieces with screws or bolts.
    More difficult to explain than to do it.. but DO IT. You solution will be UNSAFE for your children.

  27. Anonymous says:

    I was sure when clicking on the title which comments I would find because…. this hack is also utterly scary to me . I’m speechless. Really I am.
    I though at 1st sight that it was a recent hack and that the ladder was provisional. It’s not then.
    I suppose also that s.o. needs to go up there and make the bed/bed sheets for the kid.
    Have a long and safe life with all your family members, Ioannis, this is all I can wish you.
    Jerry , Belgium

  28. Anonymous says:

    I don’t see what all the fuss is about. This seems just a little higher than a bunk bed, so I don’t understand the complaints about the height. The only thing I was concerned about was that the legs were freestanding, but the hack confirms that they are bolted.

    Don’t any of you build tree houses anymore? What’s wrong with this generation of parents?

    • Anonymous says:

      Assuming standard door height, this is almost twice the height of a standard bunk bed. I find it frustrating when people bash other parents by making huge generalizations and ignoring the inconvenient details. It’s more about how that treehouse is made and if it’s structurally sound.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve got 2 bunk-beds, one at 150cm from de floor, for my 9 years old son, and one half way for my girl, who will be 6 soon. Children under 6 should not sleep in bunk beds higher than 76cm from de floor, it’s stated in every notice when you buy a bed, at least n France. (so, I’m not a “crazy” american either…)
      For this bed to fit over a door, it must be higher than 204cm, the standard high of a door in Europe, which is quite a lot, specially for a child.

      I also agree with the comments about what if the child wants ti get up at night? In Greece is probably as hot, if not more than the south of France, and my girl gets up to drink a few times every night, and my older son once vomited on my head from his bunk-bed as he didn’t have time to get down….

      If you want to do have such a bed, buy a real good one (the Flexa ones are very sturdy, that’s the ones I have) or ask a very good carpenter to build one.

      I’m anonymous because I don’t have a “profile”, I’m not a blogger.

      Patricia

  29. Archangel says:

    those who wish to make their opinion about this hack either being taken down or modified with safety warnings or disclaimers and cautions (no one can know what condition the joists are in their ceilings, nor if bedding or child’s clothing gets near halogen lights and is set afire, nor if child decides to try acrobatics and gets throat wedged in slats with no ground under him/her… it only takes one second for a parent not being there– for an active child to fall into unsafety and worse… This has nothing to do with overprotection or building treehouses (which have often sturdy trunks, but one has to take into account the depth of the root pie of certain large trees nonetheless) or being any of the names some here have called others…

    Here is Mai Mai’s email addy. She is the owner of this site.

    Ideahacker at gmail dot com

  30. Archangel says:

    I would add, that there is no reason to attack the builder of this hack, nor others. This IKEA Hack was clearly a labor of love and he/’she did it without help which is a prodigous feat. The concerns are about safety of children. We all live and learn better esp when treated with respect. Hopefully though, not by learning the hard way.

    • Anonymous says:

      I agree with you. Earlier, at another not-professional hack, someone stated that the quality of the hacks (those not good enough, in their opinion) would drive people away from this site. The amount of nastiness, rudeness, name calling and arrogance of late is likely to do more damage than any of these hacks.

  31. Anonymous says:

    It’s not the height necessarily, but the way it is attached. The chain might be rated high enough to hold the weight of the bed, with jumping kid or adult making the bed. I’m not worried about the chain. But it looks like to me that the whole thing is dependent on one washer to hold the whole contraption up. If that washer snaps, the screw will be likely to go thru the link of chain. If that corner drops, those other 3 legs are not going to hold it up.

    I can’t tell how it is attached to the 3 wood legs that are attached to the walls. It’s

  32. Archangel says:

    UPDATE: Mei Mei “Jules” (the owner of this site) has posted a SAFETY WARNING above this hack.

    “SAFETY WARNING: This hack is not proven to be safe. Do not attempt to replicate this unless you have a professional to ensure that it is structurally sound and safe for a child’s use. ~ Jules “

  33. Eoin says:

    Wow, once again the venom spewing onto the comment board is unreal. “Everyone is free to comment but IKEAHackers.net reserves the right to remove comments that do not contribute constructively to the discussion, contain profanity, personal attacks….” Well, there’s a lot of comments here completely lacking in constructive criticism, that’s for sure and reading between the lines you could easily argue that the hacker who posted this is being accused of being a terrible parent who essentially wants a great deal of harm to come to their child, which is an incredibly personal attack… In fact, was that explicitly said in one of these comments?

    Anyhoo, a bit of something hopefully constructive: perhaps the bed could have been supported by a couple/few Billy bookcases, or Pax frames or Gorm or something with appropriate reinforcement? That way, you get a solid bed and mega storage.

  34. Roger says:

    Could have just bought a Stolmen bunk bed?

  35. Anonymous says:

    OMFG!!!
    First, If you are going to use a chain, pick a larger and more durable chain. Second, never attach a chain using a screw. Did you even notice how the top one looks like it’s being torn out?? Replace those screws for lag bolts with eye holes and secure the chain to that. And third, those support legs are too thin. You do realize that your kid is constantly growing, yes?? You need to plan for the future, and a heavier load.

    Otherwise, I predict you will be waking up in the middle of the night to a loud crash and a lot of screaming.

    But, that’s a pretty innovative solution, just needs better execution.

  36. Anonymous says:

    I would have to look at the bed directly to have meaningful comments about safety, but

    1) the concern about height is misplaced. It appears from the picture that the bed is about a foot (30cm) or so above the doorframe which places it at about 7.5 feet instead of 6.5 feet. Yeah it is higher but not a lot.

    2) the concerns about the size corner supports depend on the type of wood used and how securely that these pieces are fastened to the house framing. The builder says that these supports don’t move, they sound like they are attached firmly Can’t say anything without having more information.

    3) the concerns about the lights. are these low wattage? again, without more detail, it is pointless to complain that they are a fire hazard. Also, since they are positioned in the center of the underside, it would be hard for bed sheets or blankets to contact the bulbs.

    4) concerns about the chain strength. Hmm, porch swings are often held up with chains, again this depends greatly on the actual chain that was used. I would be more concerned about the chain attachment points and the strength of the fasteners than the actual strength of the chain. BTW, the pictures show that the chain is fastened in two separate places to the bed frame.

    The extra height is not an issue, the corner supports may or not be an issue, the chain support may or may not be an issue, but in the end, the builder of this bed feels comfortable with letting his child use it.

    • Anonymous says:

      Where do you get 6.5 feet for a bunk bed? We have a good quality, normal sized bunk bed and at the top of the top mattress, it is only 4.75 feet.

  37. Anonymous says:

    The lights are low voltage halogen, so there is no danger of electrocution whatsoever, but that said:
    Halogen bulbs, low wattage or not, all get extremely hot. For good reason, most US colleges do not allow students to bring any halogen lamps into their dorms…
    Having these lamps below bedding seems to me to ask for trouble.

    Sure, up to now nothing has happened to his child. But there are so many red flags with this hack, that if this had been my brain child, I would now go and revisit the different issues that have been pointed out by so many people.

  38. Anonymous says:

    I like this hack. It frees up space in a child’s room. I would be concerned about making it strong and stable, it is not possible to tell from this picture all of the construction details, but I would think the builder would do everything possible to make it secure.

  39. yeah..bunk beds are not really safe, specially for a child. the major danger may occur from ceiling fan while lying on the bunk bed..

  40. Anonymous says:

    I’m not sure if this has been mentioned already, but I think there may be a safety issue here.

  41. Anonymous says:

    I think the general idea is very good. I think someone somewhere is always going to find a safety issue.

    The room looks to be very small; if there’s a window opposite the door then putting a child’s bed underneath might not be a very good idea. If the child is sensible and not a mini-hooligan, then I don’t see any problem with this hack re sitting up too quickly, touching the ceiling light fitting, falling off the ladder, cramming 20 friends up there to see what happens….

    If money is tight (and this IS a hack from Greece) then making do with what you have is the only option. Perhaps the family have had to move in with relatives and this small room is the only space available for the child, then it’s got to be some kind of hack to fit everything into the room.

    Believe it or not, there are children who understand what “danger” is, understand that not everyone can afford a flat or house as large as they would like, accept that making-do here means something else (a holiday, new clothes, classroom supplies) is possible. There are parents who supervise their children instead of letting them run wild.

    The bed is firmly fixed to the wall, supported on three corners and hung from a chain on the fourth. The hacker states “it is impossible to move the bed at all”.

    Having said that, I would like to see the chain fixed to the corner of the bed more securely, the rungs of the ladder padded and the halogen lights either removed or used sparingly.

    And I’d also like to see courtesy among the commentators.

    Daniel

    • Anonymous says:

      if you read the description,they renovated their house last year..and made a room for their son. they already had a Ikea KURA bed, im only assuming that it was in another room OR in this room before they redid it, but for some reason it wouldnt fit(not sure why they wouldnt measure the bed and the kids stuff first and then make sure they have enough space before they started building a room)….to have money to build bedrooms, i doubt they where tight on money…its a nice idea but it just doesnt look safe at all..that chain isnt going to do anything..its sooo thin!

    • Anonymous says:

      We couldn’t fit a double bed in our small bedroom, so we re-hung the door to open outwards. I find it very hard to believe that anyone would ever design a complicated hack like this because of lack of money when there are numerous far easier solutions.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Not trying to be rude but the first thing I immediately thought when I saw this was that it looks dangerous. There are just a lot of questionable variables, too many in regard to the fact that it’s meant for a human to spend a considerable amount of time occupying.

    I use a ladder often for work, and there’s never a time you can be too careful on one of these things. It is very, very easy to get in a hurry, have your feet slip, and fall straight down the path of the ladder, hitting your knees and chin on all the rungs. I’ve done it and it hurts. This is not a good way to be repeatedly climbing up and down from the bed when you’re groggy, sleepy, disoriented from having just woken up.

    I’m pretty open minded, but everything about this setup makes me nervous. This is something that should be more expertly executed.

  43. Ioannis says:

    Hi,

    First of all thank you for your comments.

    I understand your concerns regarding safety. So I believe I need to explain a few things to be clearer:
    Firstly, regarding the chain:
    It is secured to be the bed by three very large screws, around 8 cm long, each one including a metal ring in order not to allow the chain to slip around the screws. It is impossible to even try and move the chain in any direction.
    On the other end, the chain is secured to the ceiling using two metal hooks. Each hook is specified to withstand a weight of 1000Kgs. The chain itself can hold weight up to 1500KGs. Each screw where the chain is attached to the bed can hold more than 300KGs (according to their specifications). As a result, and according to my calculations, there is no even the smallest chance that the chain cannot support the weight of the bed.
    I personally have tested the bed structure together with 2 other adults. The bed did not move at all.
    Secondly, regarding the other three legs of the bed: Each one is attached to the two surrounding walls with at least two heavy duty screws. In total there are 8 heavy duty screws, each 10cm long securing the bed to the walls. Some attach directly to the concrete parts wall. I have tried several times to move the bed in any direction. Believe me; this bed is not going anywhere.
    Thirdly, regarding wiring: The lights you see in the photos are 12Volt led lights.
    12Volts are not dangerous even for a kid. In any way, the cables are insulated with plastic. Led lights get slightly hot. You can easily touch them without any issues.
    Regarding the ladder: I could not keep the original ladder that the bed had because it was vertical and difficult to climb. Therefore I had to find an alternative solution and the one I used was the best value for money I could find. My son is 6 years old and has no issues at all to climb and descend.
    Lastly, regarding the banister: It is firmly attached to the rest of the bed. You need to apply extreme pressure to move it. Many crews are used in order to attach it to the joint points. The only way to break it is by kicking it hard which is obviously not the point. It may not be visible by the photos but is it much stronger than it looks.
    Finally, a few things regarding my son: He is now 6 years old. He has experience in wall and tree climbing, cave descending and flying fox rides. Therefore he has no issues with the bed. I understand that he’s still a kid, and kids may decide to do things that are extreme. As a parent I did two things: Tell him to be careful with his bed and I tried to make it the construction of the bed as good as I could.
    And finally, I agreed that making the bed/bed sheets is a challenge for my wife.
    I apologize for not clearing all the above earlier to you.
    Thanks for your time,

    Ioannis

    • Anonymous says:

      Keep in mind that the 1000KG weight limit of the hooks is the tensile failure point of the metal itself, and not an indicator of what weight the hooks will pull out from the wood they are attached to.

      With all of the points brought up in this discussion, you owe it to your child to have a professional come out and at least assess whether or not this construction is adequate for a child to sleep on.

      Best case scenario, a professional tells you it’s fine, and you pay for their hour of time.

      Worst case scenario, you discover that your construction is inadequate or unsafe.

      Either way, you will get some added peace of mind knowing that your child is safe.

    • Ioannis says:

      Hi,
      The bed itself weights about 80 kgs (including everything on it). My son weights another 30 kgs. We are talking of a total weight of 150 kgs max. This weight is distributed in the legs and the chain. I feel the the safety margin factor is more than triple than the suggested one. In any case the structure has been inspected by a civil and a mechanical enginner and has beed found to be perfectly safe.

    • Anonymous says:

      Screws were never designed to hold a load in this way, so I doubt that 300 kg rating is accurate. If you change only one thing, consider replacing them with bolts which are much stronger for side loads.

    • Anonymous says:

      Did you not read that a civil and mechanical engineer inspected it?

  44. Anonymous says:

    Ioannis wrote:

    It is secured to be the bed by three very large screws, around 8 cm long, each one including a *** metal ring *** in order not to allow the chain to slip around the screws. It is impossible to even try and move the chain in any direction.

    The “metal ring” or WASHER is the problem. If that goes, the screw will go right thru the chain. Doesn’t matter what the ratings of anything else is. Your bed is held up by a washer.

  45. Anonymous says:

    I like it and from an structural engineer side this could be a very safe bed if build correctly (which I feel this parent has done for his son). With out seeing it in person and being a structural engineer you really have no business saying it is not safe. And as far as saying a man is a bad father based off your opinions of his sons modified bed that is a little silly. On a side note the use of rude slurs simply shows your lack of education as well as respect for others.

    For those who are considering building but are not comfortable for what ever reason with the safety concerns by looking at this specific room as an example you could put a pillar or book case under the front corners still allowing ample space for the door, storage and maybe even a reading nook. (if you are not working with a door under it would make a neat cave area or closet if you wanted to get fancy.

    The ladder. if you have the space you could make it a lower grade so think 45-30deg angle vs the 65-70 deg one shown. with this you would be building steps so you could add a rope rail to it if you wanted. This would visually look like a cross between a ladder and a rope bridge.

    I think the railing looks solid but if you were concerned and went with the ladder upgrade than raise the railing and do a few (3 or so) rows of rope to fill the gap and match the ladder. You will need attach the rope to the vertical pieces of the railing to prevent to much slack thus keeping the spacing to be close enough to prevent limbs getting stuck and or falling through.

    Just a few “up-grade” thought if you like the concept but are not sure of how to make it a little more ‘user friendly’.

  46. Anonymous says:

    I have a standard bunk bed that I have had since I was 5 (so we will say over 25 years) it is now set up for my daughter. It is over 5.5 feet tall, we have 8-9 foot ceilings.

    1. that is less clearance than what it looks like they have.

    2. my railings were just slide in to the head board/foot board.

    3. I did do cheery drops (hang upside down by my knees and do a flip to the floor) from the railing.

    4. I did get hit with a ceiling fan every once and a while.

    5. I survived!

    and the big one

    The company is still in business, they still make the bed, it is still made the same way.

    Some things are just more open to user error.

    If you do not think your child can handle a bunk bed (or loft bed in this case) don’t give them one. But there is no reason to call someone names,especially ones that a disrespectful to groups of people who have nothing to do with this (ie the *R* comment)

  47. Sam-O says:

    I bet there’s one happy 6 year old in Greece! Great work Dad.

  48. Wow – this is AMAZING! I saw beds looking like spaceships – that would be absolutely rocking idea. Flying spaceship… I think I have an idea for my sons next birthday.

  49. Anonymous says:

    Could the admins please remove right to comment as my head might explode from the negativity spewed all over the place here!! It is one thing to voice your opinion like a civil person and offer constructive criticism and another to go around like a know-it-all and be a mouthpiece of negativity!

  50. Anonymous says:

    I’m glad to read that the bed was inspected by a professional and deemed safe. When I first saw the pics it made my stomach hurt though. Unlike others fears of the bed coming down in the night with the child on top, I would be much more afraid of it coming down when he was under it! Houses settle, earthquakes happen… ugh. Not for the faint of heart but certainly looks like something a 6 year old would enjoy! Best wishes.

  51. Anonymous says:

    looks awesome to me. What a lucky kid. Any parent that went to the trouble making a bed like this obviously has some skill and is not going to put his kid in a half-assed dangerous bed. C’mon ppl, no haters!

  52. Anonymous says:

    Why not replace the door with a pocket door, curtains, or any other door that does not swing open? Then get a loft bed so you can have floor space?

  53. Irrelevant of the bed being safe (I will assume, from the owners comments that it is) I really like the idea, its an innovative use of space and makes the most of the room and I can certainly see how it would appeal to a child. However, the aesthetic ‘finish’ of this hack does not do justice to the idea itself. It has an ‘unfinished’ temporary look to it (which may be just down to personal taste).

  54. Anonymous says:

    Great idea and I would like to do something similar. A steel chain will hold more weight than a wooden leg ever will. Could you let us know what your ceiling is made of (mine is concrete as I live in an apartment) and the size/type of your ceiling anchors? Thanks.

  55. anonym says:

    this is possible. and can be made safe. i have slept in such a constructin. the roof was concrete. unsure of materials, but a wire was used, no chain. the bed supported an aduld couple 140cm wide, almost king sized.weight o couple ,about 200 kg. it was sturdy. but i have no idea of how this can be. good hack. but i recommend a carpenter to check it for weak spots

  56. Interesting... says:

    Wow, I built something similar once but had the supportive leg underneath rather than the chain. What I found about bunk-beds was the temperature. It’s considerably different ‘up there’ and I felt a bit suffocated.

    I took it down very soon for the stifling effect it had on me.

  57. Leanne says:

    You seem to have some reading comprehension problems. It very clearly says:
    “All legs of the bed were secured firmly in the walls. It is impossible to move the bed at all.”
    And you can see the screws in the legs of wood into the wall. The legs were MEANT to hold up the bed to start with, so not sure about hour “wood that thin” means. Also, the chain should be attached with bolts, not screws, but frankly, “not a chain in the ceiling” is just silly. They make beds for adults that have all four corners hanging from chains, as well as indoor toys for kids such as trapeze rings and bars, hanging chairs etc that are ALL held up by chains to the ceiling (one imagines the guy was smart enough to bold the chain to a beam and not plasterboard… if it was plasterboard it would already have come down)

    My father made me a bed very much like this when I was 6 yrs old, and it lasted two years til we moved, with sometimes 3-4 kids on it at once, playing on it. But really… when it clearly says in the description that it is bolted to the wall, and then you rant about how it “needs to be attached to the WALL” it is hard to take your concerns seriously.

  58. Leanne says:

    Really, do you, and everyone else here, freak out just as much about hanging chairs, lamps, swings and other things that are screwed into wood, and hang by chains? My son has been happily playing on a large heavy tire swing in the backyard, often three kids on it at once, with an adult pushing it wildly, that is held by screws (vertically inserted, not even inserted in the side like this) and many parts of his playhouse are held by washers that make the screw head large enough not to go through (the wood, metal, plastic, whether it is a rail, a slide, a chain). They hold up under hundreds of pounds of weight, often moving weight, if not thousands of pounds. Astounding the sudden concern for this quite simple hack, where a real bed frame has basically been attached to the walls and one corner held up by a (very solid) chain.

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